Could you please
introduce yourself and tell us what you do and who you work for?
Elle McComsey -- Associate Director of Digital Strategy
for The Agency inside Harte Hanks. We are a Digital CRM agency that works with
brands such as Hyundai, Mercedes Benz, and Sony.
How do you
communicate the message you need to communicate?
Means of communication depends on the message and
receiver. Someone that I have a personal working relationship with may receive
an email, twitter, instant message or text. Client communications may require a
more formal method such as PowerPoint, video, or conference call.
Do you work in
teams? Can you describe the different teams?
I work on several types of teams -- internal agency teams
and external teams.
Internal teams are geographically located in the same
space. We tend to meet face to face formally and informally.
External teams are typically on the west coast and consist
mainly of partner agencies that we’re connecting with to complete a campaign.
Are they all located
in one office/geographic area? If not, where are they located?
Internal team is located in one office.
External teams are located on the west coast.
How do you
communicate and make sure work is completed with team members not in the same
geographic locations?
We depend heavily on Project Managers to manage a campaign
calendar. We also have workflow programs that help us manage that each task
within a project has been completed. This program alerts you of what your
assignments are within a specific campaign and when the due dates are. It also
alerts you when the task before your assignment has been completed, so that you
can start your assignment. Adoption of this program is not widespread. It does
not meet all the needs of campaign planning. For example, anyone associated
with a project gets an email update when a task is completed. Some projects
have hundreds of steps and we would then receive hundreds of emails. The email
management alone is cumbersome.
Does the distance
make completing work challenging? Why/why not?
Time zones are the worst thing in the world... because my
external teams are west coast, my phone buzzes all night with emails and
meeting requests. It is impossible to step away from the office at night.
Do you feel more
connected to/trusting of/aligned with those that are closer in proximity
(working in your office) compared to those that are located elsewhere?
I do feel more aligned with my internal team, but that’s
because we are playing for the same team. External teams are playing for the
same client. When there is overlap in competencies of an external team or
agency, we see more heated conversations.
It is also difficult when we depend on the conference
call. We lose that all-important non-verbal communication. Presenting over a conference
call is often tough because you cannot gauge the understanding/acceptance of a
plan without the non-verbal cues.
Is communication
between those in your office different than those located elsewhere? Is
one more casual in style than the other?
Why or why not?
Internal team communication is more casual because I can
develop better personal relationships with being so close.
There are some external members that I enjoy a more casual
relationship with, but it is not comparable to that of an internal team member.
Do you prefer this
situation or would you rather have everyone centrally located? Why/why
not?
The second option isn’t really possible. I sometimes work
for clients all over the world and in a global economy there is a certain level
of ambiguity that we have to get comfortable with. We’re not going to have the
luxury of F2F communication as our networks shift from local to global from our
usage and development of technology. My situation just is what it is.
Acceptance of that opens the door for handling the frustrations that can happen
from time to time.
I chose to interview McComsey because I knew she worked in
and utilized various teams across the country.
I remembered one story she told me that consisted of coordinating one
person tweeting from this year’s Coachella Music Festival. I forgot which organization was sponsoring
these tweets (I want to say Hyundai – as in this year’s Coachella tweets brought
you by Hyundai but I’m not sure), but the tone of the story was of frustration
in getting someone to use such a basic communication tool – McComsey was here
outside of Philadelphia while Coachella is in California.
I was thinking of that story while reading Hinds and
Mortensen’s Understanding Conflict in
Geographically Distributed Teams. McComsey,
in charge of making sure the amount and quality of the tweets were up to
Hyundai’s demands, had issues with those that were self described “artists and
musicians” (no offense artists and musicians as I probably fall into that too). Not only were McComsey and her tweeters
geographically separated but there was conflict due to what Hinds and Mortensen
describe as conflict relating to not “the task itself, but about how the work
should be done”(Hinds & Mortensen, 2005): There was McComsey and the
sponsors way, and then there were those that were doing the works way.
This is also seen in her answer to the question Do you feel more connected to/trusting
of/aligned with those that are closer in proximity (working in your office)
compared to those that are located elsewhere? when she answers that the
conversations become “heated” between those working for different teams on the
same projects.
Her answer that “I do feel more aligned with my internal
team, but that’s because we are playing for the same team” also supports Hinds
and Mortensen’s (2005) idea that strong team identity reduces conflict. Even though both teams are working toward the
same goal and for the same client, those that she works with in her team and at
her office have stronger bonds. Although
it didn’t come up, if I were to follow-up with McComsey I would want to know
more about trust (whether it’s strong, weak, or moderate and how it works or
doesn’t) (Majchzak, Jarvenpaa, & Hollingshead, 2007) when working with
different agencies for the same client.
I also liked hearing about the use of Project Managers to
keep so many people so spread out on tasks, as I’d imagine trying to manage
that type of team environment would be a challenge for managers. It would seem that putting together and
choosing agencies that work well together would be very important (Hill,
1995). If I were to follow up I’d like
to know more about how this works in this environment and if possible ask the
Project Manager a few questions on keeping geographically dispersed people on
task.
Luckily for McComsey, The Nut Island Effect reading was
not applicable to her career, or not yet anyway.
References
Hill, L. (1995) Managing Your
Team, Harvard Business School, pp. 1-22.
Hinds, P. H., and Mortensen,
M. (2005) Understanding Conflict in Geographically Distributed Teams: The
Moderating Effects of Shared Identity, Shared Context, and Spontaneous
Communication. Organization Science, 16, pp. 290-307.
Majcharzak, A., Jarvenpaa,
S., and Hollingshead, A. (2007) Coordinating Expertise Among Emergent Groups
Responding to Disasters, Organization Science, Vol. 18 No. 1, pp.147-161.
Great interview, Justin. I also thought her use of the word "heated" when referring to her team dynamics was telling. Also interesting was when she said she felt more aligned with her internal team because "we playing for the same team." If you had to characterize both of her teams as one of Drucker's three sports types (as described in Hill), what would they be?
ReplyDeleteManaging a 'tweeter' seems like an uphill battle. You could make it seem very mechanical in a hurry if you put the wrong pressure for production on the person. I would love to hear how she effectively managed somebody outside her direct locus of control to do that (I'm sure she came up with some creative motivational tools!)Also, what do you think can be done about local teams being stronger than disconnected teams? Obviously two agencies working for the same organization are going to be a bit hesitant to share information, so what could be done to better facilitate that? I don't think that the convocons from my weekly write-up would do it in this case...
ReplyDeleteJustin, has Elle met her external teams face-to-face? It is difficult to build relationships during meetings all the time on the phone but casually visiting outside of meetings can help build some of those relationships. Thanks for sharing the interview. I particularly like it because it speaks to teams in our industry.
ReplyDeleteDr. Pade: I think I would chose the tennis-doubles team for both, or more as a whole. If there are teams from two agencies working for Hyundai with multiple people (tweeters), campaign managers, product managers, working toward getting what Hyundai wants done. It's that improvisational jazz idea that everyone is playing something that on it's own is discordant and would look silly, but taken as a complete piece -- it's jazz. They have to play as a team or they fail.
ReplyDeleteNik: If I remember correctly, her main gripe at the time was that they were paying someone a lot of money and covering expenses and asking for like a tweet an hour and a few photos (these weren't directly tweeted but emailed back to an office for tweaking) and the person wasn't really doing it to A.) the agreed upon standards and B.) the frequency of like a tweet an hour (how hard is that?) I believe the agreement they came to was if you want paid you'll do your job, but I am not 100% sure on that. You're absolutely right Nik, with the two agencies and one organization and being spread out geographically, and I was wondering that too but I think in this day and age it's becoming a norm is just something you deal with. I'd be interested to read the academic literature 10 yeas from now.
Audrey: I do not believe she has met everyone face-to-face. But I think over the years she's met some. I think some of the problems, especially in a field of "digital strategy" the clients and agencies and people you work with are just going to be constantly turning over: here today, gone tomorrow.
And I'm pretty sure I would choose it in retrospect, not chose it. Thanks typing.
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